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− | + | [http://lesswrong.com/lw/91c/so_you_want_to_save_the_world/5jdp One version of the 5-and-10 problem] is "I have to decide between $5 and $10. Suppose I decide to choose $5. I know that I'm a money-optimizer, so if I do this, $5 must be more money than $10, so this alternative is better. Therefore, I should choose $5." | |

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+ | Another version, sometimes known as the heavy ghost problem, is a problem in certain types of UDT-like decision theories, when the fact that a counterfactual is known to be false makes the algorithm implement it. | ||

Specifically, let there be a decision problem which involves the choice between $5 and $10, a utility function that values the $10 more than the $5, and an algorithm A that reasons something like: | Specifically, let there be a decision problem which involves the choice between $5 and $10, a utility function that values the $10 more than the $5, and an algorithm A that reasons something like: |

## Revision as of 21:34, 8 March 2016

One version of the 5-and-10 problem is "I have to decide between $5 and $10. Suppose I decide to choose $5. I know that I'm a money-optimizer, so if I do this, $5 must be more money than $10, so this alternative is better. Therefore, I should choose $5."

Another version, sometimes known as the heavy ghost problem, is a problem in certain types of UDT-like decision theories, when the fact that a counterfactual is known to be false makes the algorithm implement it.

Specifically, let there be a decision problem which involves the choice between $5 and $10, a utility function that values the $10 more than the $5, and an algorithm A that reasons something like:

- "Look at all proposition of the type '(A decides to do X) implies (Utility=y)', and find the X that maximises y, then do X."

When faced with the above problem, certain types of algorithm can reason:

- "The utility of $10 is greater than the utility of $5. Therefore I will never decide to choose $5. Therefore (A decides to do 'choose $5') is a false statement. Since a false statement implies anything, (A decides to do 'choose $5') implies (Utility=y) for any, arbitrarily high, value of y. Therefore this is the utility maximising decision, and I should choose $5."

That is the informal, natural language statement of the problem. Whether the algorithm is actually vulnerable to the 5-and-10 problem depends on the details of what the algorithm is allowed to deduce about itself.